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What We Learned from UK Nationals

I will talk about the various match ups of the top decks at the UK National Chmapionships.

06/05/2015 by David Hochmann

Hello 60cards readers!

 

the UK National Championship just took place this weekend and being the first National Championship with the BrC-RoS format, we can get a lot of information from this tournament.

With 132 Masters, this was the 2nd biggest National, right after Germany, but this was not enough to play Top 32.

Here are the results after swiss:
1. Alex Dao (Toadmin)
2. Karl Blake (Trevenant)
3. Michael Cornwall (Hawlucha Bats)
4. Jamie Serhan (Trevenant)
5. Sam Taylor (Groudon)
6. Oliver Fennelly (Toadmin)
7. Jake Walvin (Toadmin)
8. Josh Poet Pearce (ToadVirGen)

And after the top cut:
1. Oliver Fennelly (Toadmin)
2. Alex Dao (Toadmin)
3. Karl Blake (Trevenant)
4. Jamie Serhan (Trevenant)
5. Michael Cornwall (Hawlucha Bats)
6. Sam Taylor (Groudon)
7. Jake Walvin (Toadmin)
8. Josh Poet Pearce (ToadVirGen)

In this article I will talk about all the decks that made the cut, including the deck lists from Sam, Karl, Michael and Josh.

Since this was the deck I liked the most, I will start with Groudon by Sam Taylor (who built the deck together with Jake, who made top 8 as well)

Did you expect this kind of list when you heard Groudon made top 8? At least I didn't, but this deck is genius in my opinion and very inventive. So let's take a look at the match ups.

Seismitoad

Since Seismitoad EX is one of the strongest and most popular decks in the format, it makes sense to have a very good match up against it. Most Groudon decks try to get Wobuffet active in the first turn to stop things like Shaymin EX, Jirachi EX and Slurpuff from working to make the Toad deck slower and make them struggle to draw the Double Colorless Energies, Hypnotoxic Laser and Muscle Band, which they need to knock out the Wobbuffet. While buying some time this way, they set up their Primal Groudon, which can deal 200 damage as long as there is a stadium in play and with the Omega Barrier cards like Hypnotoxic Laser and Crushing Hammer don't work.

But Sam's list had a completely different way to beat Toad. Instead of Wobuffet, which still gets 2 hit knocked out, or even dies into Toad's turn with Hypnotoxic Laser and Virbank after one hit, he played Regirock, which, no matter what, only gets knocked out by 3 hits from Seismitoad EX, because of it's 110 HP and the Omega Barrier. So against Taod, which always gives you one turn of Item cards to play from your hand, you just need Turn 1 Regirock active and a Tool attached to Groudon EX. But another thing stands out on his list: he played 16 supporter cards for consistency, including the quite interesting card Steven. When I saw Steven the first time, it just looked like a bad version of Castaway for me and I didn't expected it to be any good. But in this deck it actually makes sense, against Seismitoad you can play Steven to get another Steven and an energy card and then a Sycamore, which is the safest way to charge your Primal Groudons under a Toad lock, especially considering Sam only played 10 energy cards.

So with Regirock active you can easily attach 3 energy cards from your hand and you still have your Sigilyphs which can endure quite a lot as well and you often manage to get a Robo Substitute into play to attach the 4th energy card to Primal Groudon. Quite similar to Wobbuffet you can find 2 Silent Lab in this list to stop Set Up from working.

But Regirock is not the only advantage over the Wobbuffet version, instead of Scorched Earth he used Shrine of Memories. Seems a bit odd, doesn't it? But the card helps insanely well against Seismitoad. Obviously you can use Rip Claw and hope your opponent whiffs the energy card, but there is another thing the Shrine can be used for, but to explain this I need to dig a bit deeper into the Toad VS Groudon match up.

It looks the same pretty much every time, Seismitoad attacks with Qucking Punch the whole game until the Groudon player knocks it out with Gaia Volcano. Then the Seismitoad player will put down the Mewtwo and deal 100, 120, 140 or 160 depending on if the Groudon has Head Ringer, Hard Charm (Sam didn't play Hard Charm, but generally spoken) or another Tool, and if the Mewtwo has Muscle Band or not. Then the Groudon player needs another Stadium to knock the Mewtwo out, which he usually gets because he can play VS Seeker again. After this the Toad player has 2 options, getting Trump card, Mewtwo DCE, Muscle Band to land the 2nd hit in order to knock the Groudon out, or he plays N and hopes that the Groudon Player whiffs his Stadium card, which happens quite often.

Sam on the other hand can play the match up like this: attack with Gaia Volcano, getting damage from Mewtwo, put Shrine of memories into play and knock out the Mewtwo with Massive Rend, which deals 130 + 40 if you have 2 Strong Energies attached to your Groudon. Since the Stadium doesn't get discarded the only way for the Seismitoad player to get out of this situation is to get Trumo card, DCE, Muscle Band. If Sam manages to get an N the turn before, the chances of getting all of this are pretty much non existent. Even if the Seismitoad player gets all of this, there were 2 Turns to play Ultra Ball, Robo Substitute and Float Stone, so the next Groudon will come soon to get the last 2 prize cards.

Trevenant

This match up is, even thought it's very similar, is harder than the Seismitoad match up. Trevenant doesn't usually whiff the turn 1 Wally, so you often don't have a single turn of Items. This makes you vulnerable to Head Ringer and since you can't evolve turn 1 you often get your first energy attachment hammered. Because this deck uses Sigilyph and Regirock as walls, and Trevenant can't use Hammer and Hypnotoxic Lasers anyways, it doesn't really make sense to attack with Shaymin, so you will have to deal with Trevenant, which one hit knocks out Sigilyph and two hit knocks out Regirock, while shooting 20 damage on Groudon each time. I already mentioned, with Head Ringer, it takes 5 turns to charge your Groudon, so you will get like 80 or 100 damage on the Groudon by Trevenant's shoot and if you manage to knock it out you can only draw one prize card.

But there are a few things you can do. With 2 Lysandre you can break through the lock and attach tools, play Robo Substitute and play VS Seeker. If you manage to set up your Groudon, you can go for Lysandre, Shaymin and knock them out, knocking out Shamyins will make you win the game faster than knocking out Trevenants and with Steven you can search your deck for Lysandre. Shrine of Memories and Silent Lab both will do a great job, because with Shrine of Memories in play you don't need any Strong Energies to knock out Shaymins and you don't counter your Stadium card (so you don't need Strong Energy cards after knocking out one Pokemon to knock out the second one)

Nevertheless the match up is pretty favorable for Trevenant.

Rayquaza

I think that Rayquaza is a bad deck in this meta game, but since it got some hype I will cover it as well. Rayquaza can easily deal 240 damage which might become a problem for Groudon, but with Focus Sash you can always survive one hit and most likely knock out 2 Rayquazas along the way. You deal 180 damage with a stadium in play against Rayquaza so you need 2 Strong Energy cards in order to one hit knock out it, but since you can play Items that isn't a big deal. Also you have Sigilyph a card which can be only hit by things like Altaria. Since Primal Groudon can't be affected by Lysandre you have a huge amount of turns to charge Groudon and you can use Robo Substitute as well in this match up.

Fighting Bats

This is very hard, you don't have a lot good outs, especially because this list isn't running Mega Turbo, so your opponent can easily just shoot 4 or 3 times 30 damage onto your Groudon with Landorus and if you are close to attacking just switch into Crobat and attack with it, to not give you easy prizes. So about 90 damage from attacks plus maybe 100 from Crobat and Golbat Abilities can actually just result into your Groudon being shot before doing anything. And even if you manage to attack, Hawlucha deals up to 130 damage and can easily 2 hit knock out you. It's a fact that Pokemon Center Lady can help you here, but it's not what you need to win consistently.

Don’t expect to win this match up.

Talking about Fighting Bats, here is the only Fighting Bats list that made the cut:

I think you understand why I call the deck Hawlucha Bats. I talked to Michael and he said that in pretty much every game he only knocked out 3 Shaymin EX.

Seismitoad

With Super Scoop Up, Scoop Up Cyclone and Lysandre's Trumo card, you can't really try to two hit knock out the Seismitoads with your Hawlucha, this is the reason why Michael went for 3 Lysandre in order to knock out Shaymin EX against Seismitoad. With Strong Energy and one use of Crobat's Ability you deal enough damage to knock out Shamyin, because Hawlucha's attack is not affected by Resistance. Alternatively you can attack with Crobat one time, so the Shaymins will only have 100 HP so you only need 2 Golbats or 1 Golbat and 1 Strong Energy. If you doesn't manage to get the Lysandre you should retreat into Crobat to stall a turn instead of trying to hit the Seismitoad, it won't turn out well usually, and you can actually attack with the Crobat to shoot 30 if you feel like your opponent is going to whiff his Super Scoop Up.

I don't recommend using Landorus for shooting damage onto Shaymin, since it's weak to Seismitoad and has 3 retreat cost.

Trevenant

This match up is very similar, but Trevenant has a few more advantages over Toad in this match up. First of all Trevenant as an attacker just deals more damage then Seismitoad, 60 (wit Muscle Band 80) and 20 on two benched Pokemon. Also Trevenant is immune to Hawlucha and resists Landorus, so it's hard to knock the Trevenant out. Also, Head Ringer can be attached to Landorus and together with Crushing Hammer you might have some struggle to attack. But the good thing against Trevenant is that you can play your Lysandre and use Item cards after wards. Also can you destroy their bench very fast with Hammerhead and Bats. If you can overcome the turn 1 Item lock, you should be able to win this match up.

Rayquaza

Again a very good match up actually, just knock out 3 Shaymin EX. They need all of the Shaymins and without Item locking you, you have access to all of your balls and Muscle Bands. Hawlucha is a non EX and you trade it for Pokemon EX, so if everything goes fine you just win this match up.

Groudon

All Groudon player will know how hard it is to deal with Bats. The cool thing about Groudon is that it can't be “lysandred” thus it only gets damage when you put it active and start attacking. Well at least against other decks, but Crobat and Golbat can just put damage onto the Groudon and Hawlucha can deal the missing 120 after Groudon just got 1 prize card.

If you play against a good drawing Groudon list with Mega Turbo, you still trade 2 Hawlucha for 1 Groudon which means you should still win.

So after this very straight forward Shaymin-killer-deck here is a very interesting version of the beloved Virizion Genesect deck, which looks more like a Seismitoad deck which got the Virizion Gensect tools, rather than the other way around.

So instead of running Laser Bank together with Toad, Josh decided to add Crushing Hammer and Head Ringer to his Virizion Genesect deck. You will understand why he did this if you continue reading.

Seismitoad

This is an easy mach up, or is it? Well with Shaymin, Crushing Hammer, Flare Grunt and Head Ringer playing Virizion Genesect can be very annoying against Seismitoad EX. But by playing Seismitoad EX himself Josh can attack with Quaking punch while setting up his Virizions. If you manage to attack with Virizion in the match up one time, you've got 4 energy cards into play and after that you can sweep with Genesect EX. Xerosic allows him to try making him whiff the energy cards and Red Signal can drag opposing benched Seismitoad active, which can't retreat under the Item lock, so you might be able to break through the lock this way.

With Shaymin EX in the deck you can also get a really huge turn 1, maybe with Head Ringer and Hammer, which really helps a lot.

Trevenant

With the combination of Red Signal and Crushing Hammer, this deck can just Item Lock the Trevenant player and prevent him from attacking with Trevenant. While attacking with Quaking punch you can just charge a Genesect EX and use Red Signal to knock out Shamin EX. While setting up with Seismitoad you can play Switch into Genesect and retreat into Seismitoad again, this way you can get rid of the not needed switch and you can get your Plasma Energies into the discard pile and shuffle them back with Lysandre's Trump card.

Rayquaza

I believe that the fear of running into Rayquaza EX was one of the reasons pretty much no one played Virizion Genesect. It can just one hit knock out every Pokemon from your deck very easily and the deck is very consitent. I think there will be people who just think that Rayquaza will be kicked out by all the other Tier 1 decks, like Groudon, Seismitoad and Trevenant, so they won't face Rayquaza at the tournament. But if you look at the list you can see that Josh didn't hope not getting paired against Rayquaza, he has a very good game plan which is: Crushing Hammer.

He played 4 Crushing Hammer and 2 Head Ringer to slow down Rayquaza as much as possible and getting the little 30 damage quaking punches on the Rayquazas suddenly brings it into the 200 damage G Booster range. Also can you use Red Signal and Head Ringer to deal 100 damage to Shaymin EX. If Shaymin has a Head Ringer attached to it, it can't attack with Sky Return so there are only three things to do. Attach an energy card and retreat to prevent the Shaymin from getting knocked out, which is a problem because you waste your only energy attachment you have. The Rayquaza player can also just let the Shaymin die and charge Rayquazas, which means your opponent gets the chance of playing another Crushing Hammer, or he can just attach an energy card to Shaymin in order to use Sky Return the other round, but also taking the risk of getting Crushed. So you can easily deal 100 damage on a Shaymin EX. And you can use Red Signal again to get 4 prize cards with Megallo Cannon, and then you can just try to knock out another Shaymin. Also you can deal 50 and switch into Virizion, knocking out the Shaymin and charge a Genesect EX. It really depends on the situation, but since the deck plays so many Item cards, you will most likely just win, because your opponent isn't drawing what he needs. Xerosic is a very useful card in this match up as well, since 50% of Rayquazas energy cards are Special Energy cards. And with Plasma Frigate you can counter Skyfield and after an N, chances are that he isn't able to knock you out.

Groudon

A lot changed with the introduction of Roaring Skies, so the match up isn't as good as you might think. To kick Silent Lab, there is a Plasma Frigatte in the list, but Groudon usually plays Wobbuffet as well. Also there is Focus Sash and more important Mega Turbo. A new Groudon can be charged quite fast and you have to shoot 20 damage onto Groudon to knock it out later on. But again Seismitoad comes in quite handy, you can just attack with Quaking Punch while he has his Wobbuffet active, so he can't attach Tools and can't play Mega Turbo. If he starts attacking with Groudon you can just use Megallo Cannon and knock it out, or you can attack with Virizion if it has a Focus Sash. Nevertheless there isn't a lot Goudon can do and if your opponent doesn't start with Wobbuffet, you can just sweep him with Virizion and Genesect.

Fighting Bats

This match up has been bad for Virizion since the decks first showing, and Seismitoad doesn't really change it. Without Hypnotoxic Laser, the Seismitoad doesn't really help so you have to attack with Virizion and Genesect the whole game (you can still use Seismitoad against Landorus, but Fighting Bats doesn't really need the Landorus). If you have to put down a Shaymin during the game, you basically just lose, because they can Lysandre it up and pick the knock out with Hawlucha getting trading a non EX for an EX. Also Crobat's 130 HP are hard to deal with and it can hit you for 50, together with the Abilities and a Hawlucha solid two hit KO. You have Super Scoop Ups to get rid of some damage, but only tow of them and it's harder to recycle them so often. So they won't do a lot, but they might help to win one or two turns, which can result in the game to be your's again.

At least Fighting Bats isn't that popular.

So we covered the less played decks, but of course the most popular decks made the cut as well. For example Trevenant. But this deck is not the standard Trevenant Shaymin, the most people think about when they hear the name. Here is the list which finished 2nd after swiss and 3rd after Top 8 by Karl Blake:

As you can see from the list, this deck was not made to attack with Shaymin EX. A high Supporter count, no Float Stones (I talked to Karl and he said he would play Float Stone instead of Switch in retrospect) no Super Scoop Ups, no Head Ringer and a lot of Psychic Energy cards. But he went for a very consistent turn 1 Wally and attacked with Trevenant.

Seismitoad

If you have ever played the Toad VS Trevenant match up, you know that attacking with Shaymin doesn't really makes sense. You can't attach your Muscle Band again and if your opponent draws into a Xerosic, he can just discard your Float Stone. So you will try to charge your Trevenant anyways, the attack deals 60 and 20 to 2 benched Pokemon so after 3 hits you can knock out a Seismitoad and get 60 damage onto another Seismitoad, which will be knocked out after 2 additional hits. Also does Seismitoad have problems in drawing prize cards as well, since you need 3 hits to get rid of Trevenant if there is a Muscle Band attached to it, and if the Trevenant player got turn 1 Item lock you can withstand 4 hits.

 

Obviously the only problem is Lysandre, because then your opponent can play Item cards again and with Super Scoop Up, Scoop Up Cyclone and Set Up it's easy to draw a huge amount of cards and getting the VS Seeker for Lysandre in order to play it the next round. If your opponent manages to flip Hammer heads, you also Struggle to attack with Trevenant again. The good thing is, that with 4 Wally it's not too hard to evolve all the Phantumps you've got, and every time he plays Lysandre he has to take a Shaymin EX. As long as he doesn't have a Head Ringer handy, you can just attack with Sky Return again. And after some time your only Pokemon in play will be Trevenant, thus the opponents Lysandre become kind of useless.

This were a lot of situations that may occur, but pretty much every game in this match up is just, Toad drawing dead, so you have a very solid way to win.

Rayquaza

Without Head Ringer and Super Scoop Ups, this is a bit harder. But just like in the Toad match up, you will see your opponent drawing dead a lot. Also Rayquaza does play 4 Double Colorless Energies, so you can make a good use of the 2 Enhanced Hammer. Another crucial card is Lysandre, if you've got a Muscle Band attached to your Trevenant, you can deal 80 damage plus 30 damage from Hypnotoxic Laser while Virbank City Gym is in play is just enough to knock it out. But also are you able to shoot 20 damage, and since your opponent will have a bunch of Shaymin on his bench anyway they are left with 90 HP. While your opponent has a hard time setting up, you can charge your other Trevenants, so even if your opponent manages to knock one of your Trevenants out, he only gets one prize card for it and you can deal your next 110 damage. You can easily two hit knock out Mega Rayquaza and pick up easy knock outs on Shaymins.

Groudon

Like I already said, Groudon has some issues with Trevenant. The 20 shooting damage every turn can be annoying and it just deals more damage than Seismitoad. After the Groudon is charged, you usually have 4 energy cards in play and about 60 damage on the Groudon, leaving it with 180 HP. Depending on who started it will have 80 damage, so two hits with a Muscle Banded Trevenant to go and the game is yours. Another thing is that dealing with Wobbuffet is easier with Karl's list, because he runs 4 Sycamore and 4 Wally and isn't depending so hard on Shaymin EX (and Wobbuffet is weak to Psychic). Winnig against Groudon shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Fighting Bats

Since their Hawlucha can't harm your Trevenants, Trevenant resists Fighting and without Ultra and Repeat Ball they can't really use their Crobat line. You can shoot Zubats and you can easily two hit KO Landorus. The only problem is Lysandre, because of Shaymin's popularity it's just easy to knock a lot of them out with Hawlucha, which results in a higher Lysandre count in Fighting decks. This is a Problem, because Shamyin is a Pokemon EX and you can't just not put them into play. You don't have any Scoop Up card, so you might just lose because 3 Shaymins fainted. Another Issue is the Shoot damage from Landorus, which can be very hard to deal with in combination of Crobat.

This match up comes down to who gets their Set up and how much luck the Fighting player has with drawing into Golbat and Crobat at the right time.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get the list Alex and Oliver played (the played the exact same 60 cards), but there is a list that contains every of the key cards they used:

A very great idea running the cards Ghetsis and Megaphone, also with a 1-1 Slurpuff line this deck was able to finish 2nd and 1st in the masters division. Let's take a look on how they did this:

Seismitoad

I didn't said anything about the mirror match yet, but this one needs some explanation in my opinion. First of all, have you ever let your opponent start the game? No? Well I didn't either, but this is the only match up in which it actually makes sense! The reason why you want to start in the mirror match is that you have the chance of attaching your Muscle Bands, in order to prevent your opponent from attaching Head Ringer, attach your own Head Ringer and flip Laser heads/tails. Also the chance of whiffing turn 1 Quaking Punch is also a factor, so going first usually is the better way to go for. But with the introduction of Roaring Skies this changed a bit. Set Up allows you to get about 20 cards turn one, and you can still play a Sycamore after wards. This means even though our active Pokemon is sleeping with a Head Ringer attached to it and your opponent has a Muscle Band, you can just play a Scoop Up card on your active Pokemon, play Megaphone and attach your Head Ringer. Then attack with Quacking Punch and all of the sudden, you opponent can't do anything and you just need some Crushing or Enhanced Hammer to continuously preventing him from attacking.

The only way to get out of this is to use AZ or Cassius and have a Double Colorless Energy card and a Seismitoad on your hand. You can look at your opponent's hand from time to time and check what he might be able to do, and consider playing an N next turn. Also Ghetsis is the card to go for, if you have to start the game.

Trevenant

Against Trevenant going first is very important, because they usually seal a turn 1 Item lock on you if they go first. So in your first turn you have to find a Lysandre as fast as possible and a Muscle Band, to not getting Head Ringer'd. Then you can play Lysandre to get a Shamyin active, try to get a Head Ringer and crush as many energy cards as possible. If you succeeded, the Trevenant will either whiff the energy and the Shaymin gets knocked out into your turn, or he will retreat. But most likely he will just attach the energy card to one of his benched Trevenants and let the Shaymin faint. This way he will save his energy and might be able to attack the following turn again.

In this match up it's very important who goes first and dead draw will happen a lot. If both player draw what they need, Toad will win, but Trevenant will win more consistent.

Rayquaza

HAMMERTIME. Well, yes, Crushing Hammer and Enhanced Hammer are Rayquazas biggest enemy. With Head Ringer and Crushing Hammer, Trump card loops it's very hard to draw prize cards in the first place and Enhanced Hammer completely destroys it. Xerosic is very nice in the match up as well, and Flare Grunt too. The only thing Rayquaza can do is attaching an energy card every turn and hope it doesn't get discarded, but the chances are in Seismitoads favor.

Groudon

Groudon is considered to be THE Seismitoad counter and I totally agree with this. You can't use Crushing Hammer nor can you Poison them, which makes it nearly impossible to deal with it. The only thing you can do is, the moment they attack with Gaia Volcano, drop your Mewtwo, play N and use X-Ball. If they didn't get a Stadium card, you can just attach with X-Ball again. Otherwise you have to play Trump card and get Mewtwo again. Slurpuff is very cool in this match up, because it's not a basic Pokemon, so you can get some extra cards while Silent Lab is in play, and since you don't need to draw a huge amount of Hammers each turn, you can just set it up. This match up is hard, but if you play your Mewtwo the right way, you can win.

Fighting Bats

With Jirachi and Shaymin you give your opponent a lot of possibilities to sneak easy prize cards, trading a non EX for an EX, but the Item lock is on your side. Shaymin helps a lot, but you should focus on your Slurpuff, and with Sycamore and healing via Scoop Up you can deal a lot damage even without Shaymin. And you can always heal your Shaymin from Bat-damage with Scoop Up cards. Considering the dead draw this match up is somewhere in the 50:50 area.

Seismitoad/Shaymin, is just drawing cards until you get your Hammers and Lasers, so there isn't so much to say about.

Afterword

The National Championship in Manchester was a very cool experience for me, I had a lot of fun with my friends and the location is great. If you are from the UK, or like the Video Game, you should definitely go there and give it a try. I am looking forward to Denmark's National Championship, which will be the first National without Lysandre's Trump Card!

A photo of me talking to Jake (Top 8), in the background you can see Alex (2nd) and you can see the beautyfull neck of the winner Oliver. 

I hope you enjoined my article, if you like this kind of article, or have an idea on how to improve it please let me know.

Until next time,

David Hochmann

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